Match info
| Date | League | Winner | Loser | Score | Type | |||||
| 2003-05-12 | STA Gold | NCA | Netlords Coalition of Arms | 165.25 +4.32 |
FOoM | Fraternal Order of Moof | 128.50 -4.32 |
180-50 340-170 | Torch2 Torch2 |
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Writeup:
NCA over FOoM
Tonight we rehashed an extremely old rivalry. Well not really a rivalry seems how we've only played like 4 times but anyhow. FOoM had played us on torch2 3 years ago and knew what to expect... so what would they do?
Rd1- This round got off to a quick start with a cap on the rush. We steadily poured caps into their pot while FOoM struggeled to get on the board. NCA held a 11-0 lead at the halfway mark. FOoM's offense must have realised mizan wouldn't be any help this round and picked up the slack. The round ended 18-5.
Rd2- Back to a nice smooth west coast box. Fader picked up the spanner for old times sake this round, and got bent over while he adjusted. FOoM had a slight edge for the first bit of the round leading up till about the 80-80 mark. After that JaNordy figured out how to run flags (let Solo take it to the base THEN cap it get all the glory etc). We went crazy for the later part of the round and pulled away. Props to Janordy for crowbaring Twizted my #1 fan. Oh and to me I caltrop killed him. This round ended with us ahead by a bunch.
GG FOoM
Comments
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Twiz
68.104.74.42 |
Had much more fun in RD2 than RD1, but either way GG guys, look forward to next time (not really, but I am trying to be nice). Also, Solo, I purposely walked over your caltrop since I had 1 hp and then VK took the flag, so KTHX TO YOU MY #1 FAN!!
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Solo
24.236.154.218 |
I got it on film thanks Twiz!
mizan I wasn't saying you didn't play Rd2... I was saying you were worthless to your offense Rd1.
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M.busta
24.78.127.190 |
From what i saw in irc after the match FoOM was pretty riled up. You guys must of played like a bunch of douche bags to piss them off like that. I didnt see the match, just my two cents.
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M. busta
24.78.127.190 |
[NCA]Repair Man(TEAM): solo did you ask boyg to spec [NCA]Solo-Rf-(TEAM): nope [NCA]Solo-Rf-(TEAM): he asked to [NCA]Repair Man(TEAM): i bet they asked to [NCA]Solo-Rf-(TEAM): if they did they're morons [NCA]Solo-Rf-(TEAM): we can dispute Rd1 because of Mizan
STA Rule #56 : Mizan is not allowed to give NCA a taste of their own strat, doing so will cause Solo to hide behind comments in the writeup.
OMG HIDE MIZ
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Twiz
68.104.74.42 |
For the record, we never asked BoyG to spec, he got interested when SOLO asked him to host HLTV or something, and then he ended up just getting the match info because LfA had a bye tonight. So kthx!
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Nitz
24.86.86.207 |
2 of my fav clans, gj on your win NCA. Looks like we play you next week for the STA Gold title match, last time we played you like 20 matches/ 4 months ago on sd2 it was a blast. GL HF and much <3!
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T3muJin
66.25.204.19 |
I now finally understand NGW's 8==SOLO==D
GG being offered to play straight up but choosing the lame way. Now that it's done and over, get ready Solo, another no name map coming up in June. You better start looking for another clan you can puss out with so you can play cz2 instead... God forbid you try and spark a nerve in your hollow head to come up with a strategy.
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kevin
68.224.51.94 |
bg nca strat
ruins the fun in the match imo
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Suicidal_Anomal
y 64.81.88.36 |
Nice try Busta but Solo was actually talking about Mizan going spy and just throwing every spy gren in/in front of/around our spawn about midway through round one. Good job jumping to conclusions when you have no idea what actually happened in the match.
As far as playing "straight up" what is that again? We didn't break any sta rules, hell there was an admin in the server watching round 2, they even ruled after last week that our strat was legal, sorry you guys couldn't adjust and actually deal with it. Everytime we play this map we come up against one of two clans, those that adjust and use a strat that will work and those that basically give up and start spamming the shit out of our spawn which doesn't do much, guess which category you fall into.
T3m, I guess you're referring to us not playing prolifique because we don't practice and have no intention of doing so, kind of funny that both of the clans we played over that two week span were more than willing to change the map, maybe you should redirect your comment at those clans too?
Good game nonetheless FOoM.
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Solo
24.236.154.218 |
busta I'm guessing those are priv channel logs. If you could pm me on IRC who in our clan is pasting that to you it'd be much appreciated.
And for those of you so bent on picking on me...
1) The strat wasn't my Idea when we created it 3 years ago.
2) I'm not in charge I don't set rosters nor do I say do this strat! backwards map backwards strat I'm not opposed to it, but much seems to be directed soley towards me.
Busta our strat doesn't in any way include spending an entire round throwing gas grenades into and at respawns. Notice the scoring difference for FOoM between Rd1 and Rd2... makes a huge difference when that's all one of your offense does for a round.
And for fucks sake we use 3 defense on this map our strat has got to be the only "lame" strat in existance that actually PROMOTES more scoring.
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MasterJeff
64.166.167.235 |
that looks like ingame logs to me solo
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Twiz
68.104.74.42 |
They are in game logs. You guys seemed to do alot of bitching about Miz spamming, even though you could dispute it. Maybe you should try READING the rules for the league you participate in, instead of looking like a dumbass.
Also, their wasn't a scoring differance because of Miz, we had some ping issues and did not have a steady flag runner for the first 15 minutes or so of the match. Not to say we would have been close to winning, because we still had to put up with your annoyingly gay strat, but it wasn't because of Miz's spam, which was just as "STA Legal" as your fucked up strat was.
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Twiz
68.104.74.42 |
GJ early morning typing, that should say, "even though you couldn't dispute it."
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Triple_X
172.148.101.140 |
How about you guys just call it a game? Seriously no point in getting all bent out of shape and hating each other because of one game. Imagine if the Lakers had one bad game with the Kings so they started throwing balls at each other just because of one bad game. It's completely ridiculous. Now if this was like five games or ten games, that'd be different. But one or two games, just get over it and move on.
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Solo
24.236.154.218 |
Twiz you're an STA 5v5 admin right? I'd expect better of you. Talk to Bluefire or BoyG today. Ask them if a player dedicates himself to gas spamming respawns if that's legal or not.
I'll make a wager with you. If I'm right you leave me alone on the STA forums for a month. If you're right I'll not post on them for a month.
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And what was this magical strat?
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wendol
65.41.0.31 |
well i have to say, that was the most Newbie filled match i have ever seen. hell for a moment i thought i was on some torch2 24/7 server with players like ... |_33t S/\| ||PA|{iLLa
i have played that map more than i can remember in leagues, and now i can say CNBL lives on in you Solo and the rest of youre win at all cost losers in NCA...... i remember when .bp played |D| on torch2 and you playeds the same exact strat, so dont sit there and say "oh my dear, its not my strat, i have nothing to do with it!"
so much for a max def rule, solo was the only person in that match that DIDNT kill me, which means youre other 5 offense was dm'in in the yard like a buncha noobs on the [PF] servers.
i can take a loss like the next person, but when people try to make up for skill with lame playing, it just makes me wonder why we even put up with clans like you...
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Solo
24.236.154.218 |
You remember when bP played D in OGL? Then you'll also remember Rd1 where we had to send 7 Offense just to cap on you on 2fort. 2fort 9v9 is retarted as it is and is even worse when you play a team running 7D. The second round of that match we not only employed the strat but I'm sure we abused the respawns as well.
Guess you could call it a win at all costs strat, but since we don't really care if we win or not I don't think that arguement holds too much water.
Side note: Wendol you think getting killed by everyone on my team except me is bad? I got killed by everyone on your team AND everyone on my team. TK'd 12 times Rd1 :(
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Repair Man
66.67.162.105 |
I almost feel sorry. Oh wait no I dont.
Potshotting has been and always will be legal, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. We were not the ones chasing your offense from one end of the yard to the other. We were not the ones gasing and piping respawns. If your looking to blame people for degrading the level of the match, blame yourselves.
In conclusion: cry me a river.
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Solo
24.236.154.218 |
shhh repair I don't think they would have done that had we not pot shotted... but then again in response to pot shotting gassing respawns seems a bit extreme.
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Ja
141.156.178.17 |
"well i have to say, that was the most Newbie filled match i have ever seen. hell for a moment i thought i was on some torch2 24/7 server"
wendol too bad you were the only person setting detpacks in yard and throwing nades and mirvs if you got hit one time with a shotty in the yard.
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Whoa
68.13.183.143 |
/me hands lollipops out to everyone
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M.busta
24.78.127.190 |
I got those logs off of irc someone had it as a setinfo, i found it kind of funny. My point was to state that FOoM is easily the coolest and most layed back clan in TFC and dont get pissed off that easily. Hence you guys must of played like a bunch of douche bags, which is obviously evident.
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Solo
24.236.154.218 |
Busta find me in #netlords once. I'm done with petty arguements on here, but I did want to ask you something.
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wendol
65.41.0.31 |
you guys can sit here and justify it from now till the cows come home, i dont give a fuck, fact of the matter is, you guys play like a bunch no-skill hacks, that cant win in a match with `0` lameness involved.
you guys got treated they way you deserved, spawn spam or not, learn to play in a respectable manner, and this kinda shit will stop, but untill then,
why dont you go take a ride in my GO FUCK YOURSELF WAGON. Iit has plenty of room for you guys.
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Suicidal_Anomal
y 66.14.160.108 |
Boofuckinghoo want a tissue Wendol? You guys knew our strat well in advance and tried to run something very similar against us round 1 but you got your asses handed to you so here you are whining. Grow the fuck up.
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Twiz
68.104.74.42 |
GG, lets move on.
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[FOoM]offhisgam
e 68.145.161.78 |
I didn't play the match, but all I can say is that I have no respect for a team who will play the game in such a manner where the opposing clan does not have fun. Shameful NCA :(
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M.KarNage
161.184.70.91 |
Hey NCA, FUCK YOU!
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NCA has never cared about their opponents, and never will. Simple fact, they play to win. That is their choice, but it would be better if they didn't try to act all innocent about it.
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Das
66.31.93.13 |
seems like everyone is soft skinned these days
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132.177.48.79 would be Corsair
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kolman
4.65.152.204 |
The NCA torch2 strat is the greatest thing in the history of TFC.
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Corsair
132.177.48.79 |
yes it would. I thought this thing like kept you logged in. I guess it didn't.
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Corsair
132.177.48.79 |
oh and 206.150.0.224 would be solo, but for some reason that IP is different than his other one? One at school and one at home?
Holy shit you have like a zillion IPs on cats... what is davenport.edu?
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Suicidal_Anomal
y 66.14.160.108 |
Poor Corsair, still mad about the mulch trench match, the one where STAR had a cheater playing. We don't give two shits about winning, if we did we'd practice and try coming up with a strat/line up more than five minutes before our match started. As usual you spend more time talking out of your ass anything than anyting Corsair.
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Dr.
12.40.253.102 |
I am ashamed of all of you. Two great teams that I really respect should not break down into a hissy fit after a match regardless of how the match was played. It's a game. Every strategy has a counter. You all know better than this. Game over. Move on.
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Phantom
68.51.14.148 |
I'm confident Fornaught would never have anyone in FOoM play llama unless he was llamafied first. Unfortunate NCA couldn't give FOoM the great match they ALWAYS give everyone. Pity.
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Wyrm
12.93.40.224 |
^^^ What kolman123DoogleZ said. Wish 404 would adopt that, but nooooo, we always settle for these bs "fair" and "sportsmanlike" and "fun for both sides" strats.. probably why we give up 40 caps a round. gg fags :|
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[NCA]Fader
66.92.248.188 |
Apologies, I came up with the strat a few years ago when TFC was cool. We played against FOoM with it then; they were sportsmen then when we won. No bitching. Remember, TFC was cool at this time.
Three years the whole TFC community has had to devise a new defense against a single strat but all anyone has succeeded in doing is increasing the amount of complaining from any given losing team. Those that cannot learn from their history or doomed to repeat it. GG
- still remembers losing to ][ with that strat
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I played in that match with NCA 3 years ago. Those were different times. Skill levels varied greatly, you could expect a gold team to have 3 or 4 exceptional players, not 9. We also played 8vs8 in those days. Only a few clans back then had pak's with clear explosion sprites, global timers, custom croshairs and etc. Their use was rare. Now we have teams with 9 expert players using all manor of haks, legal or otherwise. Matches then were very different than today.
In those days there were very few rules - potshooting, chasing and spawn spamming was common. Yet if a lower clan beat a higher ranked clan you could expect the flames on message boards. Don't you remember the TFTimes or TFtribune flame threads? To bad we dont have all those threads, then we could see supposed "cool" clans whining like stuck pigs. The same 'they did this so we did that' stuff that you see today.
Over the years leagues have adopted a few rules to keep games fun. Like limiting Hwguys. or making a rule of maximum 5 defense. And more specifically, "no excessive o vs o".
Some clans live within the spirit of the rules, they play clean just as they have for years.
Others don't.
You want to play a no holds barred, anything goes form of TFC? Like you think it was in the "old days"? Thats fine with me. Change the league rules so everyone can play the same way. Forget the personal demos, throw out all the rules and class limits and the dispute process. And then dont fucking dare complain about anything you think was unfair the first time you lose a match.
I knew this match would be lame going in. I didnt complain afterwards. And I'll match my personal stats with anyone's on NCA.
You want to flame my clan, come to our forum or to our #foom channel.
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Fornaught
67.86.3.173 |
sorry, left my name off the above ^^^^^
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Fornaught
67.86.3.173 |
I forgot to add one thing - the first person to start complaining about this match was solo. Immediately after the match he pm'ed me complaining about miz spamming the rr.
If you choose to play a match with a lame strat, how the fuk do you have the nerve to complain about anything that happens?
This is exactly why all the talk about how clans played so "cool" without all the rules in the "old days" is a load of shit. I was there. All those clans whined and complained then, and they still do today.
Ok Fader?
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Fader
66.92.248.188 |
"Now we have teams with 9 expert players using all manor of haks, legal or otherwise. Matches then were very different than today."
I dont mod my half life for shit. In fact I use retail counter strike too. Maybe not everyone who's on the field at a given time on NCA is from the old school because we mixed with your new breed as well. Personally I'd shit on a colored conc, and I know i'd have to do it on top of a lot of NCA dung. So, don't tell me how NCA plays this game. You go hack; i'll use my normal crosshairs in software mode on my retired p2 400 and wreck house.
"In those days there were very few rules - potshooting, chasing and spawn spamming was common. Yet if a lower clan beat a higher ranked clan you could expect the flames on message boards. Don't you remember the TFTimes or TFtribune flame threads? To bad we dont have all those threads, then we could see supposed "cool" clans whining like stuck pigs."
Foom didn't complain then, and at that point they were among more of the established and respected clans in the community that NCA was *barely* breaking into. They came into our channel after an upset and said GG. They didnt flame shit anywhere. Don't speak for them, they were way cooler.
"Over the years leagues have adopted a few rules to keep games fun. Like limiting Hwguys. or making a rule of maximum 5 defense. And more specifically, 'no excessive o vs o'.
"Some clans live within the spirit of the rules, they play clean just as they have for years."
At this point in your response I realized you're looking at the game from an entirely different perspective than I am, so there is really nothing to debate. Only thing we can agree on is disagreeing. Which is why old clans have faded away from the game, and we've moved to a more unfavorable era.
You must have remembered that HW's were made much stronger after the 1.5 patch, but thats the only reason i'll go with you on the HW rule. Personally I think O vs O, even excessive offense vs offense is part of the game. Hell 9 D is part of the damn game. Its not like I would call shit like that as a D captain or would anyone else running NCA's defense. Excessive O vs O was only implicit in our Torch2 strategy; part of the strat even takes place as the offense leaves the base, clearing a path for the engineer to build his gun. Offense vs offense was just a great part of the game. How else are you going to be able to play all 8 to 9 members of the opposing team? How are you going to include dynamic positional strats which includes a rotating roster without someone bitching? Is that not "clean"? Its supposed to be a war game; you got rocket launchers and guns and shit, how are you NOT gonna shoot some motherfucker who's gunning to go kill your boys then steal your flag? What the hell is that?
During my time, only CNBL and HATE did the 9d bullshit anyways and everyone loved to flame them. But shit, it's there. Why turn the game into a series of stupid ass half conflicts when a med concs off an opposing O soldier, or a soldier RJ's off an opposing medic. Then you got a bunch of kids yelling "faggot chaser," and then chasing nonetheless in response. Shit is dumb, which is why all of us are gone. I still feel stupid everytime I run past a spy running into my base, because I can still feel Rokan's knife in my back for the 1000th time.
"I forgot to add one thing - the first person to start complaining about this match was solo. Immediately after the match he pm'ed me complaining about miz spamming the rr. "
Dude you think you are the first person to point out to me that solo is a douchebag? Even more so, you are going to allow yourself to form an opinion on a whole clan based on Solo's stupid ass? I'd slap him even if he was a girl, so once again dont be telling me shit about NCA, about what we do, and what we are like.
"This is exactly why all the talk about how clans played so "cool" without all the rules in the "old days" is a load of shit. I was there. All those clans whined and complained then, and they still do today.
Ok Fader?"
You were there? Dude, who the fuck are you?
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Twiz
68.104.74.252 |
Moron, Fornaught is the leader of [FOoM] and has been a part of [FOoM] since damn near the beginning, go shove your head further in to your ass.
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LoL, shows you how much I really invest in this. Again, NCA was reincarnated for us just to play. I never paid attention to who I was shooting.
gghf
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no offense on the "dude who the fuck are you" comment anyways, I just thought it was a witty way to end the thread. It only seemed to distract from the meat of my comments which I have been itching to write down and transcend the significance of one torch2 match. take it how you want, but if you're going to respond please take the time to read the entire discussion and choose something of merit to talk about other than "Moron," and "shove your head in your ass."
-ty
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April 19, 2005, 3:32 am |
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heh...still entertaining reading 2 years later....
anywhooooo...foom...will you fucking win a few matches so I can own the all time TFC losses title ffs!!
damn...drop down a couple divisions if you have to
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